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Post by Barr Avel on Sept 20, 2007 9:46:25 GMT 1
I'm intrigued to know. There is part of me that thinks it is all a big waste of money and good sailing time (in the UK - different for the Baltic!).
My hull was epoxied as standard when the boat was new, and I don't really believe letting it stand in an exposed car park for several winter months changes anything to its moisture content etc.
Marc.
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Post by jimbuoy on Sept 20, 2007 10:20:07 GMT 1
I've voted GRP and never. Altho it's perhaps a bit misleading as I have not owned her that long. Part of me would like to lift her for a cpl of months but only as it would make some of the work I want to do a little easier. In reality She needs a scrub of and the anode checking. Winter sailing is great and even tinkering about on a clear sunny winters day are worth the effort. She did get knocked about a tiny bit last winter but bigger and more fenders will stop that.
She's been out of the water for 4 yrs when I had her surveyed. Might be interesting to see what the moisture readings would be now.
Does being on a drying berth mean decrease the possibility of water absorbtion?
Jim
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Post by Bendyone on Sept 20, 2007 11:00:24 GMT 1
I'm a firm believer that coming out for the winter is good for the boat.
Much less ware and tear and I sleep better when the wind blows. Also less risk of other boats damaging yours or worst still the pontoon breaking.
Plus it only costs me €60 extra ;D
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Post by mirelle on Sept 20, 2007 11:23:47 GMT 1
Interesting subject.
I've voted wood and every other year. Again, this is not strictly accurate and reflects my future intentions rather than my past practice.
The boat is teak planked, and as such is little affected by being wet or dry. A pitch pine planked boat would be another matter.
For the first fifteen years of my ownership she was kept in a mud berth in the winter and came out for a few days in summer for a refit. This suited the fact that I was living abroad for much of that time.
For the next six years, due to my living in the UK, she came out every winter. Last winter she stayed in commission; she will come out on October 12th this year.
I've come to the conclusion that with Epifanes topsides paint and Coelan on the deck brightwork it is quite practical to keep the boat going for two years at a time.
One point that people miss is that wooden boats have a lot of metal in them, by way of keelbolts, floors, ballast keel, sterntube, fastenings and so on, and this certainly does better out of the water.
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Post by Ken.P. on Sept 20, 2007 16:24:09 GMT 1
Mine is GRP and I've just put 5 coats of epoxy on. Mooring is in a deep channel 5 miles inland, so winter storms ain't a problem!
In and staying in.
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Post by jenku on Sept 20, 2007 18:37:51 GMT 1
I'm in the bloody Baltic so out it is. :-(
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Post by NigeL on Sept 20, 2007 18:47:29 GMT 1
SA used to stay in and pretty manky she got as well. But that was due to my never being there. (Hayling Island)
She's epoxied - a fact that was never apparent till she lifted out for trucking over here ... some chips were knocked of the underwater section ... Seller never mentioned it and to be honest - even as a surveyor - I never tested for it ... I bought her afloat and that's how she stayed for rest of year. Next winter she was lifted and no blistering was found ... readings were high - which now is explained. (Old boats like mine can carry moisture levels that would make many modern boats explode in pox !!).
Anyway she then stayed in .... odd lifts out for change engine ... shaft etc. but not for else.
But now she's in Baltic - it's a different story .... stay in at your peril. I know a 12m Conrad GRP that stayed in (Tallinn) and he survived - apparently undamaged. But I'm not risking it.
Winter for working on boat .... ?? Would you go out there in - C temps ... sometimes as low as -20 .. -30 ??
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Post by searush on Sept 20, 2007 23:01:37 GMT 1
Another old GRP boat (1973) recently gel stripped, dried & eppoxied professionally due to minor blistering. Kept on a drying mooring and seldom lifted out in last 10 years or so. Big tides make scraping/ anti-foul/ anode replacement etc a doddle.
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Post by ood on Nov 30, 2007 8:37:25 GMT 1
None of the above, wood as nescessary
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Post by kilter on Nov 30, 2007 10:49:52 GMT 1
None of the above, wood as nescessary Ditto! |
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Post by NigeL on Nov 30, 2007 11:00:09 GMT 1
This year - weather has been mild, but that also means wet. It does allow a bit more work to be done on her though.
From now, late November - it's wise to think more in terms of interior work than exterior ! Leaving that for end of winter.
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biscuit
Newbie... lots of fenders please
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Post by biscuit on Nov 30, 2007 11:12:47 GMT 1
Comes out end Nov. (last w/e) to go under cover with cabin open, boards up etc.. Goes in when it warms up & the enthusiasm starts again.
That damp dark air is terrible stuff.
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Post by ggt on Dec 4, 2007 12:18:13 GMT 1
Now coming out in a week or two due to a combination of intransigent insurers and seasonally restricted hoist availability  If past form is anything to go by, a) I'll shortly be running around madly paying over the odds for oil, filters and anti-freeze at the last minute to sort the engine before getting lifted. b) we'll now get settled warm weather on the East Coast until mid March (you read it here first) c) I'll get very fed up. This usually ends up with me sculking around boatyards looking for that elusive fifty quid tender and an old outboard so that I can have the odd morning out on the creeks and d) I'll tinker with a few jobs, put a cover on and then leave it all for far too long then find lots of things that really need doing when I finally start then before I know it I'll be a 'yardie' still working on the boat on warm Summer weekends when everyone else has gone sailing. I do reckon she needs to come out for a bit once a year to scrape, anti-foul, fix up, mend and improve but not really for more than a week or two if I could take a few days off to turn her round swiftly. Meanwhile Bah. And Humbug  |
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Post by NigeL on Dec 10, 2007 14:59:15 GMT 1
Most of you guys are lucky to be able to choose whether you leave in or not AND be able to go sailing in dead of winter - some of the best I've had in Solent in years gone by ..
But us lot over here - Jenku, Svengly and myself have no choice but lift fairly early. Even earlier if you have wooden boat. The ice has no conscience about destroying a boat !
It's interesting to look out today ... Dec. 10 and it's +5C out there. It seems that winter is delayed and we suffer wet and miserable UK style at moment. Only advantage (?) is that I can find the leaks and weeps in the boat to fix !
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