|
|
Post by Barr Avel on Sept 24, 2007 10:34:56 GMT 1
Because my boat prop kicks to Port I nearly always moor up Startboard side to (even if it means reversing into the berth & tide) as this makes it easier to leave going astern.
Now I have been puzzled by an email from the boatyard recently reminded all boats that the seaman-like thing to do is to moor up port to and please could we all do this as it makes it easier for them if they need to move the boat.
What do people think? It seems to me that in my case the "seaman-like" (whatever that means) thing to do is to moor up in the fashion I feel most comfortable with at the time given wind & tide and bearing in mind how I intend to leave the berth etc...
Marc.
|
|
|
|
Post by NigeL on Sept 24, 2007 11:38:15 GMT 1
Strange request ......
Most yards / marinas etc. use workboats placed alongside so that they don't have to enter a boat, start its engine or use its gear - in case of claims / damage etc.
If the yard is using a boat that is insufficient power or limited such that an order as this has to be made - there's something wrong in my opinion.
It rather sounds as though they may have had a close incident etc. giving them reason to doubt matters ....
Might be an idea to ask them to expand on this to see why ... may be a reasonble explanation.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bendyone on Sept 24, 2007 11:39:05 GMT 1
Port side to the pontoon, because to the berth also my prop kicks to starboard.
|
|
|
|
Post by NigeL on Sept 24, 2007 11:50:43 GMT 1
Kick ... my b********d gives an almighty swipe arse to port when I punch in astern ... so stbd side to I am reluctant about ... it's a drift in slow job for me ... Port side to - is wham Bham - slam bham she's in job !!
|
|
|
|
Post by Barr Avel on Sept 24, 2007 12:18:00 GMT 1
Strange request ...... Most yards / marinas etc. use workboats placed alongside so that they don't have to enter a boat, start its engine or use its gear - in case of claims / damage etc. If the yard is using a boat that is insufficient power or limited such that an order as this has to be made - there's something wrong in my opinion. I think the point they are trying to make is that there workboat is probably geared up to tie up to boats on their port side (my starboard) side and they find it a nuisance when boats like mine are moored the other way round. |
|
|
|
Post by Ken.P. on Sept 24, 2007 12:33:52 GMT 1
Regardless of which side of the river, boats at Boston are moored facing upstream to cope with river flow on top of tide ebbing.....
I've probably got a bit of room to play with when mooring up compared with marina berths, although it's all bigger and stronger than my boat!
|
|
|
|
Post by malcb on Sept 24, 2007 12:58:51 GMT 1
Makes no difference at Chichester Marina, stern first, bow first, Port side to, Starboard side to, theguys can cope with anything. Probably because they are experienced boat handlers. ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by mirelle on Sept 24, 2007 13:30:00 GMT 1
Hmm.
Fifteen ponypower of 40 year old MD2 connected via a 70 year old Kelvin tailshaft and A bracket* to a 15 x 10 three blade LH prop under the port quarter, with twelve feet of bowsprit.
Coming alongside to starboard is something I avoid at almost all costs, since the merest hint of astern power causes the stern to leap eight feet to port in an instant whilst the bowsprit sweeps over the wharf, jetty or pontoon taking all before it!
* They don't make them like that any more!
|
|
|
|
Post by NigeL on Sept 24, 2007 18:09:40 GMT 1
Hmm. Fifteen ponypower of 40 year old MD2 connected via a 70 year old Kelvin tailshaft and A bracket* to a 15 x 10 three blade LH prop under the port quarter, with twelve feet of bowsprit. Coming alongside to starboard is something I avoid at almost all costs, since the merest hint of astern power causes the stern to leap eight feet to port in an instant whilst the bowsprit sweeps over the wharf, jetty or pontoon taking all before it! * They don't make them like that any more! I'm sure Giles could have made a wonderful cartoon out of that !! Granny ... Baby ..... family all there !! ;D |
|
|
|
Post by malcb on Sept 24, 2007 18:57:05 GMT 1
Hmm. Fifteen ponypower of 40 year old MD2 connected via a 70 year old Kelvin tailshaft and A bracket* to a 15 x 10 three blade LH prop under the port quarter, with twelve feet of bowsprit. Coming alongside to starboard is something I avoid at almost all costs, since the merest hint of astern power causes the stern to leap eight feet to port in an instant whilst the bowsprit sweeps over the wharf, jetty or pontoon taking all before it! * They don't make them like that any more! Yo would love the Nelson Harbour Launch that I train MVS members on then. It has a kick to starboard in reverse (ex MOD boat, they always did things differently) The problem is, (well what I give them). It is moored on a finger that has 5 boats on it (there are also 5 on the othher finger to our port side), and we are the 4th. So when we come in we pass 3 boats and moor starboard side to (as the st'bd prop kick in reverse helps us). Now to get out I make/persuade them reverse it out ;D So, bow spring, fwd gear and swing the stern so that it is virtually aimed at boat 2 in on the other finger, then reverse. If you've got it right then you go out in a curve and hopefully miss the last boat on the starboard finger of the pontoon. If you (they) make a mess of it, or the wind is blowing, it's good fun working out what to do next. If I'm feeling generous then I let them trawler turn the boat so as to go out forwards  |
|
|
|
Post by jimbuoy on Sept 24, 2007 19:21:55 GMT 1
Malc, The more I read your posts the more I think I'd like to ask you to spend a day with me on Bluey in a marina as close qtrs stuff makes me nervous..... what are your rates??? Jim Hmm. Fifteen ponypower of 40 year old MD2 connected via a 70 year old Kelvin tailshaft and A bracket* to a 15 x 10 three blade LH prop under the port quarter, with twelve feet of bowsprit. Coming alongside to starboard is something I avoid at almost all costs, since the merest hint of astern power causes the stern to leap eight feet to port in an instant whilst the bowsprit sweeps over the wharf, jetty or pontoon taking all before it! * They don't make them like that any more! Yo would love the Nelson Harbour Launch that I train MVS members on then. It has a kick to starboard in reverse (ex MOD boat, they always did things differently) The problem is, (well what I give them). It is moored on a finger that has 5 boats on it (there are also 5 on the othher finger to our port side), and we are the 4th. So when we come in we pass 3 boats and moor starboard side to (as the st'bd prop kick in reverse helps us). Now to get out I make/persuade them reverse it out ;D So, bow spring, fwd gear and swing the stern so that it is virtually aimed at boat 2 in on the other finger, then reverse. If you've got it right then you go out in a curve and hopefully miss the last boat on the starboard finger of the pontoon. If you (they) make a mess of it, or the wind is blowing, it's good fun working out what to do next. If I'm feeling generous then I let them trawler turn the boat so as to go out forwards |
|
|
|
Post by searush on Sept 24, 2007 21:10:56 GMT 1
What's a marina? I don't think I have ever been in one, are they something new & modern?
I have kept my boat(s) on swinging moorings (initially self-laid) for 30 years with a short stint in Rothesay inner Harbour, tied alongside the central pier - Does that count as a marina? Currently I use fore & aft trots in Caernarfon where all vessels are encouraged to moor up facing upstream as the tidal flow seldom overcomes the river current.
|
|
|
|
Post by Barr Avel on Sept 24, 2007 22:32:40 GMT 1
What's a marina? I don't think I have ever been in one, are they something new & modern? I have kept my boat(s) on swinging moorings (initially self-laid) for 30 years with a short stint in Rothesay inner Harbour, tied alongside the central pier - Does that count as a marina? Currently I use fore & aft trots in Caernarfon where all vessels are encouraged to moor up facing upstream as the tidal flow seldom overcomes the river current. Well I can't afford a marina, the boat is on a pontoon in Portsmouth Harbour. Even that is too expensive though so it will be a buoy next year! |
|
|
|
Post by NigeL on Sept 25, 2007 10:22:14 GMT 1
What's a marina? I don't think I have ever been in one, are they something new & modern? I have kept my boat(s) on swinging moorings (initially self-laid) for 30 years with a short stint in Rothesay inner Harbour, tied alongside the central pier - Does that count as a marina? Currently I use fore & aft trots in Caernarfon where all vessels are encouraged to moor up facing upstream as the tidal flow seldom overcomes the river current. Well I can't afford a marina, the boat is on a pontoon in Portsmouth Harbour. Even that is too expensive though so it will be a buoy next year! Being known as Mr. Cheapskate ... I looked hard and long for places around solent .... ended up at Hayling Yacht Co. Alongside marina mud berth - electric and water .... might be worth asking Richard about pricing ? |
|
|
|
Post by jimbuoy on Sept 25, 2007 10:25:10 GMT 1
Cheapskate..... you? Nah I don't believe it. ;D Well I can't afford a marina, the boat is on a pontoon in Portsmouth Harbour. Even that is too expensive though so it will be a buoy next year! Being known as Mr. Cheapskate ... I looked hard and long for places around solent .... ended up at Hayling Yacht Co. Alongside marina mud berth - electric and water .... might be worth asking Richard about pricing ? |
|
|
|
Post by Barr Avel on Sept 25, 2007 10:50:30 GMT 1
Being known as Mr. Cheapskate ... I looked hard and long for places around solent .... ended up at Hayling Yacht Co. Alongside marina mud berth - electric and water .... might be worth asking Richard about pricing ? I have found that I am not too fussed about being connected to the shore or having electrics and water. So next year I am intending to put the boat on an all tide buoy and see how it goes. Should save me £1k in annual mooring fees! If I don't like that then I may look at being on a semi-tidal mooring.... Marc. |
|
|
|
Post by Crystal on Sept 25, 2007 16:35:27 GMT 1
I go port-side to, if I can, as the starboard mooring fairlead got ripped off some time ago and has yet to be replaced.
Other than that, I don't even think about it. I can push Crystal about by hand, even when single-handed, very easily in all but the dodgiest weather, in which I'm unlikely to be leaving the berth anyway. I much prefer to point her where I want to go manually using brute strength, rather than using the engine's 9 ponypower (probably much less these days).
|
|
|
|
Post by Gandy on Sept 25, 2007 18:30:58 GMT 1
Because my boat prop kicks to Port I nearly always moor up Startboard side to (even if it means reversing into the berth & tide) as this makes it easier to leave going astern. Ours kicks to starboard in astern, but I find that make leaving in reverse harder - it hard to prevent the bow swinging in as I reverse off. |
|
|
|
Post by roach1948 on Oct 6, 2007 11:06:13 GMT 1
Roach simply does not go astern at all. She kicks to starboard like a mule, without making any way.
This is the result of my reluctance to not widen the 11" prop aperture so it means I have a tiny 9" prop on three tons of long keel boat. All very well when I am sailing, as there is hardly any drag, but at 22ft, most marina staff think that Roach is some sort of nifty fin keeler - which she is not. Backing out of a berth I either spring her off with engine in astern and fender holding her down amidships, or warp her around if in a confined space. What really annoys me is that invariably I get comments from Marina gazers, on how much better it would be to reverse out. If it was not my pride and joy I would hand them the tiller so they can experience a real boat.
I have now learnt that one knows one's own boat best, and I take a healthy disregard to marina staff mooring instructions.
|
|
